1 00:00:03,581 --> 00:00:05,941 [muffled court proceedings] 2 00:00:13,781 --> 00:00:15,981 [Yvonne] Who are you, really? 3 00:00:17,221 --> 00:00:19,781 You may not be a spook, Mark Costley... 4 00:00:22,701 --> 00:00:24,621 but one thing's clear. 5 00:00:26,541 --> 00:00:28,181 [Mark] You're beautiful. 6 00:00:30,061 --> 00:00:32,421 You're in love with secrets. 7 00:00:34,261 --> 00:00:35,821 [Mark] Life's mysterious. 8 00:00:36,661 --> 00:00:39,181 [Yvonne] Maybe that's all we shared, you and I... 9 00:00:40,941 --> 00:00:42,421 [Mark] Trust me. 10 00:00:44,501 --> 00:00:45,981 [Yvonne] ...a secret. 11 00:00:49,701 --> 00:00:51,981 A secret we have to keep. 12 00:01:07,861 --> 00:01:09,261 [prosecutor] Sergeant Johns, 13 00:01:10,141 --> 00:01:13,021 the man we have in the dock here, Mr. Costley, 14 00:01:13,101 --> 00:01:14,701 -do you know him? -Yes. 15 00:01:14,781 --> 00:01:17,221 I worked with him throughout my time at The Crown Estate. 16 00:01:17,661 --> 00:01:20,221 -On a daily basis? -That's correct. 17 00:01:20,301 --> 00:01:21,981 Would you mind describing to the court 18 00:01:22,061 --> 00:01:25,741 Mark Costley's responsibilities as a security advisor, 19 00:01:25,821 --> 00:01:28,581 -so far as you understand them? -Certainly. 20 00:01:28,661 --> 00:01:32,101 It was his job to ensure compliance, Health and Safety, 21 00:01:32,581 --> 00:01:36,101 any arrangements for special events, checking the duty log, 22 00:01:36,181 --> 00:01:39,381 supervising shifts for the CCTV monitoring crews, 23 00:01:39,461 --> 00:01:40,661 that sort of thing. 24 00:01:40,901 --> 00:01:42,781 And was Mr. Costley good at his job? 25 00:01:43,141 --> 00:01:47,741 Yes, he was, on the whole. He was very reliable, efficient. 26 00:01:48,101 --> 00:01:52,061 During the time you worked with him, until he was arrested, 27 00:01:52,141 --> 00:01:56,541 did your colleague display any behavior that led to concerns 28 00:01:56,621 --> 00:01:58,501 that he might be unstable? 29 00:01:58,581 --> 00:02:01,101 No. He did everything that was required of him. 30 00:02:01,181 --> 00:02:04,461 -He was just... normal. -Normal? 31 00:02:05,021 --> 00:02:07,341 To talk to, the way he acted. 32 00:02:07,421 --> 00:02:09,741 Were you aware of any change in what you describe 33 00:02:09,821 --> 00:02:13,981 as Mark Costley's "normal" behavior in the days before the killing 34 00:02:14,061 --> 00:02:16,861 of George Selway on March 12th of this year? 35 00:02:17,821 --> 00:02:20,901 I can't remember any change at all. 36 00:02:20,981 --> 00:02:24,661 -He seemed... how he always did. -What about prior to that? 37 00:02:25,021 --> 00:02:26,701 In November of the previous year, 38 00:02:26,781 --> 00:02:29,381 when Yvonne Carmichael told him she'd been raped? 39 00:02:29,461 --> 00:02:31,301 Did you observe any change 40 00:02:31,381 --> 00:02:34,501 in your colleague Mark Costley's behavior at that time? 41 00:02:34,821 --> 00:02:40,061 No. I don't remember any change whatsoever. He was just Mark. 42 00:02:40,141 --> 00:02:41,701 [Bonnard] Sergeant Johns. 43 00:02:41,781 --> 00:02:44,181 You've told the court that you saw no change 44 00:02:44,261 --> 00:02:45,901 in Mark Costley's behavior 45 00:02:45,981 --> 00:02:48,261 -in November last year, correct? -Yes. 46 00:02:48,781 --> 00:02:50,541 That's not strictly true, is it? 47 00:02:51,421 --> 00:02:54,501 In respect of Mark Costley's behavior to you, 48 00:02:54,581 --> 00:02:59,221 -was there a change? -Not really. I don't think so. 49 00:02:59,301 --> 00:03:02,781 Isn't it the case that during November 50 00:03:02,861 --> 00:03:05,301 the two of you had had a short-lived relationship 51 00:03:05,381 --> 00:03:09,541 -which ended acrimoniously? -No. That's absolutely untrue. 52 00:03:09,621 --> 00:03:10,981 It wasn't a relationship. 53 00:03:12,301 --> 00:03:14,301 I wouldn't describe it like that at all. 54 00:03:14,381 --> 00:03:15,701 How would you describe it? 55 00:03:15,781 --> 00:03:19,901 I would say... Mark propositioned me. 56 00:03:20,741 --> 00:03:23,221 And had he "propositioned" you prior to this? 57 00:03:24,141 --> 00:03:25,421 No. 58 00:03:25,621 --> 00:03:28,461 So this marked a change in his behavior, then? 59 00:03:28,541 --> 00:03:31,261 I suppose so. I thought that you meant his general-- 60 00:03:31,341 --> 00:03:33,181 You went for drinks with Mr. Costley after work 61 00:03:33,261 --> 00:03:35,861 on, I believe, three or four occasions. 62 00:03:35,941 --> 00:03:37,701 Not that many times. 63 00:03:37,781 --> 00:03:39,741 -Once or twice. -Oh, really? 64 00:03:39,821 --> 00:03:43,021 Well, my information is that it was at least three times, 65 00:03:43,101 --> 00:03:46,381 and the last of these occasions, in early December of last year, 66 00:03:46,461 --> 00:03:48,221 you had intimate contact 67 00:03:48,301 --> 00:03:51,621 with Mr. Costley in a Westminster pub called the Bull and Keg. 68 00:03:51,941 --> 00:03:55,621 Firstly, the first time we went out was with a group of people. 69 00:03:55,701 --> 00:03:57,181 So, I would say twice. 70 00:03:57,741 --> 00:03:59,861 Secondly, the contact that you're referring to 71 00:03:59,941 --> 00:04:02,221 was initiated by him and I told him to stop. 72 00:04:02,301 --> 00:04:03,421 [prosecutor] Immediately? 73 00:04:07,821 --> 00:04:10,581 Did you ask him to stop immediately, Sergeant Johns? 74 00:04:13,541 --> 00:04:15,181 Not immediately. No. 75 00:04:15,261 --> 00:04:17,661 So perhaps you could take us through exactly what happened 76 00:04:17,741 --> 00:04:19,741 between you in the Bull and Keg? 77 00:04:21,301 --> 00:04:25,381 We'd had a few drinks and Mark, Mr. Costley, 78 00:04:25,461 --> 00:04:27,261 had his hand on my knee. 79 00:04:27,341 --> 00:04:29,701 It was making me uncomfortable. 80 00:04:31,021 --> 00:04:32,941 Just having his hand on your knee? 81 00:04:33,021 --> 00:04:34,621 No! 82 00:04:37,621 --> 00:04:40,421 I have no wish to embarrass you, Sergeant, but can I suggest 83 00:04:40,501 --> 00:04:44,101 that you and Mr. Costley had been drinking since around 6:00 p.m. 84 00:04:44,181 --> 00:04:47,381 He had his hand on your knee beneath the table. 85 00:04:47,461 --> 00:04:50,901 At some point, he moved his hand under your skirt, 86 00:04:50,981 --> 00:04:54,181 down your tights and into your underwear. 87 00:04:55,461 --> 00:04:57,341 Where he proceeded... 88 00:04:57,421 --> 00:04:59,981 I believe the appropriate colloquialism is, to finger you. 89 00:05:00,061 --> 00:05:02,741 [prosecutor] My Lord, I fail to see how this is in necessary-- 90 00:05:02,821 --> 00:05:05,181 [Bonnard] I'm establishing the fitness of the witness 91 00:05:05,261 --> 00:05:07,061 to assess the defendant's mental state. 92 00:05:08,581 --> 00:05:12,701 I'll allow this question, but move on swiftly please, Ms. Bonnard. 93 00:05:13,301 --> 00:05:16,701 Did Mr. Costley insert his finger into your vagina, Sgt. Johns? 94 00:05:22,301 --> 00:05:23,621 Yes. 95 00:05:23,701 --> 00:05:26,821 And did you prevent him from doing so, or object in any way? 96 00:05:27,421 --> 00:05:28,901 Not at the time, no. 97 00:05:28,981 --> 00:05:32,661 So, you and Mr. Costley had intimate sexual contact? 98 00:05:33,221 --> 00:05:36,221 Which, in many people's eyes, constitutes a relationship. 99 00:05:42,621 --> 00:05:46,381 -I told him I didn't like it. -Was this in the pub? 100 00:05:48,661 --> 00:05:52,941 No. At work, the next day. It was embarrassing. 101 00:05:54,661 --> 00:05:57,501 I told him I wasn't interested and after that he made it clear 102 00:05:57,581 --> 00:05:59,741 that he was giving me the cold shoulder. 103 00:06:00,341 --> 00:06:03,501 Things got quite hostile on his part, actually. 104 00:06:03,581 --> 00:06:06,181 He started ignoring me in meetings and so on. 105 00:06:06,261 --> 00:06:07,781 He made it really difficult. 106 00:06:07,861 --> 00:06:10,461 So, when you told this court... 107 00:06:11,741 --> 00:06:17,141 that Mr. Costley was "just Mark" in both November of last year, 108 00:06:17,221 --> 00:06:21,661 when Yvonne Carmichael sought his advice after her rape by George Selway, 109 00:06:21,741 --> 00:06:24,901 and in the days immediately preceding the killing of George Selway, 110 00:06:24,981 --> 00:06:26,621 did his "normal" pattern of behavior include 111 00:06:26,701 --> 00:06:30,781 the sexual advances towards you and his "difficult" professional behavior? 112 00:06:30,861 --> 00:06:33,461 I just meant the day-to-day. 113 00:06:33,541 --> 00:06:35,341 It was nothing I couldn't handle. 114 00:06:35,421 --> 00:06:38,421 Is being felt up by a colleague in the pub "normal" as far as you're concerned? 115 00:06:38,501 --> 00:06:40,461 No! Of course it's not. 116 00:06:41,821 --> 00:06:44,741 No further questions for this witness, My Lord. 117 00:06:49,141 --> 00:06:51,181 [Yvonne's barrister] No questions, My Lord. 118 00:06:52,661 --> 00:06:55,301 [judge] Thank you, Sgt. Johns. You may step down. 119 00:06:57,621 --> 00:06:59,261 [Yvonne] Poor Sergeant Johns. 120 00:07:00,741 --> 00:07:04,861 Two weeks after I told you what George Selway did to me, 121 00:07:04,941 --> 00:07:07,261 you were in that pub with her. 122 00:07:08,381 --> 00:07:10,101 That's how much I mean to you. 123 00:07:10,181 --> 00:07:12,981 Dr. Sanderson, can you tell the jury what you do? 124 00:07:13,781 --> 00:07:15,981 I'm a consultant forensic psychiatrist, 125 00:07:16,061 --> 00:07:20,301 and I've been practicing as such for the last 23 years. 126 00:07:20,741 --> 00:07:23,941 You conducted an assessment of Mark Costley while he was on remand. 127 00:07:24,021 --> 00:07:25,941 -Is that correct? -That's correct. 128 00:07:26,421 --> 00:07:28,301 Having examined Mark Costley, 129 00:07:28,381 --> 00:07:31,301 do you assess him as suffering from a personality disorder? 130 00:07:31,381 --> 00:07:33,501 -I do not. -Why is that? 131 00:07:34,781 --> 00:07:37,701 An individual with a personality disorder 132 00:07:37,781 --> 00:07:40,501 would not hold down a stable marriage, 133 00:07:40,581 --> 00:07:43,501 let alone a career in the civil service. 134 00:07:43,581 --> 00:07:46,941 And during my assessment, Mr. Costley displayed 135 00:07:47,021 --> 00:07:51,461 none of the signs or symptoms of a personality disorder. 136 00:07:51,541 --> 00:07:54,901 -What are those? -Emotional instability, 137 00:07:54,981 --> 00:07:57,861 lack of individual identity, 138 00:07:57,941 --> 00:08:00,341 pattern of run-ins with the law, 139 00:08:00,421 --> 00:08:04,061 suicidal behaviors, addictions of various kinds. 140 00:08:04,941 --> 00:08:09,541 In my expert opinion, he has difficulty telling the truth, 141 00:08:09,621 --> 00:08:11,941 but the pursuit of extramarital sex 142 00:08:12,021 --> 00:08:14,661 and a tendency to embroider the facts 143 00:08:14,741 --> 00:08:18,061 do not mean that he is mentally unwell. 144 00:08:18,141 --> 00:08:21,781 Otherwise, half the men in the country would be seeking treatment. 145 00:08:25,781 --> 00:08:29,141 Coming now to... previous offences on file? 146 00:08:29,221 --> 00:08:32,301 Yes. In 2005, Mark Costley pleaded guilty 147 00:08:32,381 --> 00:08:35,981 to the charge of assault occasioning actual bodily harm. 148 00:08:36,061 --> 00:08:38,221 Thank you, Detective Inspector Cleveland. 149 00:08:38,301 --> 00:08:40,901 That concludes the case for the Crown, My Lord. 150 00:08:43,341 --> 00:08:45,421 [Yvonne] I don't know you at all, do I? 151 00:08:46,021 --> 00:08:50,461 I never did, and you are all that's standing between me 152 00:08:50,541 --> 00:08:52,301 and a prison sentence. 153 00:08:55,341 --> 00:08:57,301 [Gary] I'm sorry I wasn't there this afternoon. 154 00:08:57,381 --> 00:08:59,101 I took Carrie in for a check-up. 155 00:08:59,301 --> 00:09:02,101 -Everything's okay, isn't it? -Yes, yeah. 156 00:09:02,821 --> 00:09:05,981 -You would tell me if it wasn't? -Absolutely fine. 157 00:09:06,061 --> 00:09:09,861 Of course! The baby's just not ready to come out yet. 158 00:09:10,661 --> 00:09:12,501 All okay this afternoon? 159 00:09:13,101 --> 00:09:16,621 Yeah. Smoke and mirrors, you know. 160 00:09:17,981 --> 00:09:19,981 You know I love you. 161 00:09:20,581 --> 00:09:23,821 Stay strong, hmm? I'll see you tomorrow, love. 162 00:09:24,701 --> 00:09:25,901 Bye. 163 00:09:25,981 --> 00:09:27,701 [dial tone] 164 00:09:28,861 --> 00:09:31,661 Good morning, Dr. Carmichael. We're getting there. 165 00:09:32,541 --> 00:09:35,141 Even Ms. Bonnard shouldn't be able to spin her case out 166 00:09:35,221 --> 00:09:37,221 -beyond the end of today. -Really? 167 00:09:37,301 --> 00:09:40,781 Mr. Costley won't be in the box, as they're pleading diminished. 168 00:09:40,861 --> 00:09:42,581 So, uh, yeah. 169 00:09:43,261 --> 00:09:46,661 The assault that the prosecution mentioned yesterday. 170 00:09:46,741 --> 00:09:48,661 Do you know the details? 171 00:09:48,741 --> 00:09:51,381 He attacked a man outside a restaurant 172 00:09:51,461 --> 00:09:54,621 who was chatting up his wife, I believe, broke his jaw. 173 00:09:55,821 --> 00:09:57,741 The jury doesn't know that. 174 00:09:57,821 --> 00:09:59,781 It won't have improved their opinion of him, though, 175 00:09:59,861 --> 00:10:01,301 hearing he has a conviction. 176 00:10:01,381 --> 00:10:03,901 Hopefully, the defense psychiatrist Ms. Bonnard is calling 177 00:10:03,981 --> 00:10:08,221 will convince the jury that Mr. Costley is mad, rather than bad. 178 00:10:08,301 --> 00:10:10,421 Not that we're relying on his defense, you understand. 179 00:10:10,501 --> 00:10:12,461 But it would help our case, wouldn't it? 180 00:10:13,101 --> 00:10:15,621 Diminished responsibility. Manslaughter. 181 00:10:16,501 --> 00:10:18,301 It would help, certainly. 182 00:10:20,421 --> 00:10:22,221 [woman] When I examined Mark Costley, 183 00:10:22,301 --> 00:10:25,301 he displayed very highly developed coping mechanisms, 184 00:10:25,381 --> 00:10:28,781 considering the situation he was in, the stress he was under. 185 00:10:29,501 --> 00:10:30,701 "Coping". 186 00:10:30,781 --> 00:10:32,941 Isn't that the sign of someone who's psychologically healthy, 187 00:10:33,021 --> 00:10:35,381 -Dr. Sadiq? -Not necessarily. 188 00:10:35,461 --> 00:10:38,141 Very intelligent people with good support systems? 189 00:10:38,221 --> 00:10:41,461 They can be what you could call high-functioning patients. 190 00:10:41,781 --> 00:10:44,861 Their coping, in fact, masks more deep-seated symptoms. 191 00:10:44,941 --> 00:10:46,701 Could you tell us, Dr. Sadiq, 192 00:10:46,781 --> 00:10:49,981 how a personality disorder might be displayed in a patient... 193 00:10:50,061 --> 00:10:51,341 [voices fade] 194 00:10:52,781 --> 00:10:56,301 What did you think of me the first time you saw me? 195 00:10:56,781 --> 00:10:57,901 Oh. 196 00:10:59,061 --> 00:11:03,101 I thought, "I would." [chuckles] 197 00:11:03,941 --> 00:11:05,381 -Well, you did. -I did! 198 00:11:05,461 --> 00:11:08,261 -Yeah. -[laughing] 199 00:11:08,341 --> 00:11:11,461 So, was it just that, seriously, like, "I would"? 200 00:11:12,461 --> 00:11:17,821 No, I just thought... you seemed to know what you were doing. 201 00:11:19,781 --> 00:11:21,301 No, not like that. 202 00:11:21,381 --> 00:11:23,221 Well, yes, like that. 203 00:11:26,741 --> 00:11:28,101 But you seemed... 204 00:11:31,781 --> 00:11:33,221 Right. 205 00:11:34,861 --> 00:11:36,181 Sound. 206 00:11:37,141 --> 00:11:38,581 Sound? 207 00:11:46,661 --> 00:11:48,101 [Dr. Sadiq] ...In Mr. Costley's case, 208 00:11:48,181 --> 00:11:51,221 he dissociates, he detaches from real life 209 00:11:51,301 --> 00:11:53,861 and creates his own self-sustaining narrative. 210 00:11:53,941 --> 00:11:56,621 Forgive me, Doctor, would you mind putting that in layperson's terms? 211 00:11:56,701 --> 00:12:00,661 Sorry. Patients like Mr. Costley, 212 00:12:00,981 --> 00:12:03,661 they make themselves the hero of their own story. 213 00:12:03,741 --> 00:12:06,141 Almost like they're in a film or a book, 214 00:12:06,221 --> 00:12:08,941 and they're watching themselves as the main character. 215 00:12:09,021 --> 00:12:11,621 And to other people, this tendency to make up stories, 216 00:12:11,701 --> 00:12:15,181 could it make the sufferer seem merely a bit of a fantasist? 217 00:12:15,261 --> 00:12:18,141 It could look like that on the outside, yes. 218 00:12:18,221 --> 00:12:23,181 But would represent an abnormality of mental functioning, is that correct? 219 00:12:23,261 --> 00:12:24,421 That is correct. 220 00:12:25,461 --> 00:12:27,221 What happens, Dr. Sadiq, 221 00:12:27,301 --> 00:12:29,701 when someone suffering from this type of disorder 222 00:12:29,781 --> 00:12:32,141 is put in an unusually stressful situation? 223 00:12:32,221 --> 00:12:35,381 Well, if their sense of safety is challenged 224 00:12:35,461 --> 00:12:39,901 by the loss of their stable environment, they decompensate. 225 00:12:39,981 --> 00:12:41,861 "Decompensate", what does that mean? 226 00:12:41,941 --> 00:12:43,861 Act oddly, if you like. 227 00:12:43,941 --> 00:12:47,501 Disturbed behavior, violent or self-destructive tendencies. 228 00:12:47,581 --> 00:12:49,301 Violent, you say? 229 00:12:49,381 --> 00:12:52,541 Yes. They might lash out, lose control completely. 230 00:12:52,621 --> 00:12:55,461 And in an altercation such as we can assume took place 231 00:12:55,541 --> 00:12:58,341 between George Selway and Mark Costley-- 232 00:12:58,421 --> 00:13:00,301 -Objection. -Ms. Bonnard! 233 00:13:00,501 --> 00:13:01,741 My Lord. 234 00:13:04,301 --> 00:13:06,301 To be clear, Dr. Sadiq, 235 00:13:06,381 --> 00:13:09,381 in a personality disordered individual 236 00:13:09,461 --> 00:13:12,021 such as the type you're describing, 237 00:13:12,101 --> 00:13:15,101 could an argument or a physical threat 238 00:13:15,181 --> 00:13:16,901 substantially impair their ability 239 00:13:16,981 --> 00:13:19,421 to keep a grip on what a reasonable response might be? 240 00:13:19,501 --> 00:13:21,421 I think so, yes. 241 00:13:21,501 --> 00:13:25,061 Right, so their abnormality of mental functioning 242 00:13:25,141 --> 00:13:27,501 would, in this situation, 243 00:13:27,581 --> 00:13:31,181 affect their ability to exercise self-control? 244 00:13:32,141 --> 00:13:35,621 -Yes, it would. -Returning to Mark Costley. 245 00:13:35,701 --> 00:13:39,181 During your examination of him, what conclusions did you draw? 246 00:13:39,261 --> 00:13:42,501 I was struck by his almost inappropriate ability 247 00:13:42,581 --> 00:13:45,941 to manage this very stressful situation he was in. 248 00:13:46,021 --> 00:13:48,381 As though he'd found a different story to tell himself. 249 00:13:48,461 --> 00:13:51,181 Added to the nature of the crime he's admitted to, 250 00:13:51,261 --> 00:13:54,661 his history of risky sexual encounters, 251 00:13:54,741 --> 00:13:57,941 even his attraction to the secret service, 252 00:13:58,021 --> 00:14:01,221 in my opinion, Mark Costley fits the profile of someone 253 00:14:01,301 --> 00:14:03,741 with a high-functioning personality disorder. 254 00:14:05,981 --> 00:14:07,061 Thank you. 255 00:14:10,541 --> 00:14:12,901 [Yvonne's barrister] No questions for the witness, My Lord. 256 00:14:12,981 --> 00:14:15,541 Dr. Sadiq, this theory of yours, 257 00:14:15,621 --> 00:14:18,541 about so-called high-functioning personality disorders, 258 00:14:18,621 --> 00:14:22,101 am I correct in saying it formed the basis of your PhD thesis 259 00:14:22,181 --> 00:14:25,181 -at Kingston University? -Yes, that's right. 260 00:14:26,141 --> 00:14:28,781 So, would it be fair to say it's your pet theory? 261 00:14:29,701 --> 00:14:32,621 It's certainly a theory I've done a great deal of work on. 262 00:14:33,501 --> 00:14:35,341 It explains a lot, in my opinion. 263 00:14:35,421 --> 00:14:39,421 Indeed, but isn't it the case that your theory is countered 264 00:14:39,741 --> 00:14:42,581 by the recognized diagnostic categorization systems 265 00:14:42,661 --> 00:14:45,301 -used in psychiatry? -I wouldn't say countered. 266 00:14:45,381 --> 00:14:46,541 For instance, 267 00:14:46,621 --> 00:14:50,901 in the Biannual Study Papers of Mental Disorders, volume 24, 268 00:14:50,981 --> 00:14:56,261 dated March 2013, there is a specific refutation of your theory... 269 00:14:57,341 --> 00:14:59,381 in an article by Dr. Michael Sedora, 270 00:14:59,461 --> 00:15:02,901 an expert in borderline personality disorders 271 00:15:02,981 --> 00:15:05,101 of some 22 years' standing. 272 00:15:05,181 --> 00:15:08,461 It's page 72, My Lord, footnote five. 273 00:15:08,541 --> 00:15:10,261 "See Sadiq, Kingston, 274 00:15:10,341 --> 00:15:12,381 High Functioning Personality Disorder 275 00:15:12,461 --> 00:15:15,901 and the Disguise of Pathological Trait Domains. 276 00:15:15,981 --> 00:15:19,861 That is the name of your PhD thesis, Dr. Sadiq? 277 00:15:21,581 --> 00:15:23,221 Dr. Sadiq? 278 00:15:24,021 --> 00:15:25,781 Yes, that's right. 279 00:15:28,021 --> 00:15:30,381 "I find no clinical evidence 280 00:15:30,461 --> 00:15:33,501 that the so-called high-functioning individual 281 00:15:33,581 --> 00:15:38,701 is able to disguise traits such as compulsivity or antagonism 282 00:15:38,781 --> 00:15:42,101 from family members or medical professionals." 283 00:15:42,181 --> 00:15:44,781 They're missing the fundamental point of my thesis, 284 00:15:44,861 --> 00:15:48,821 which is that personality is not a binary concept but a spectrum. 285 00:15:48,901 --> 00:15:52,901 "I discount entirely the existence of a high-functioning category 286 00:15:52,981 --> 00:15:56,181 separate from the definition of personality disorders." 287 00:15:56,261 --> 00:15:58,661 There's a group of individuals like Mr. Costley 288 00:15:58,741 --> 00:16:01,901 who have significant personality pathology which may fall short 289 00:16:01,981 --> 00:16:05,021 -of the current diagnosis-- -"Fall short". 290 00:16:12,741 --> 00:16:14,301 Indeed. 291 00:16:19,821 --> 00:16:21,621 No further questions, My Lord. 292 00:16:24,021 --> 00:16:25,221 [Yvonne] Mad or bad? 293 00:16:26,261 --> 00:16:29,101 Right now, the jury thinks you're as sane as I am. 294 00:16:30,421 --> 00:16:32,061 They think you're a murderer. 295 00:16:39,861 --> 00:16:41,621 [mouths] 296 00:17:09,781 --> 00:17:11,341 Yeah, okay. I'll come down. 297 00:17:13,461 --> 00:17:16,581 They were a bit worried because her waters had broken 298 00:17:16,661 --> 00:17:18,221 and nothing was happening, 299 00:17:18,301 --> 00:17:22,421 so they induced her and it was all fast and furious after that. 300 00:17:22,501 --> 00:17:25,861 You did tell Carrie that they wouldn't let me call the hospital? 301 00:17:26,061 --> 00:17:27,741 I'll give her all your love. 302 00:17:27,941 --> 00:17:31,541 And Sathnam. She, she knows you're thinking about her, love. 303 00:17:31,741 --> 00:17:36,221 Oh, God. I really wish I could have been there. 304 00:17:36,301 --> 00:17:37,781 I know. 305 00:17:38,661 --> 00:17:40,221 Oh, bloody hell. 306 00:17:40,301 --> 00:17:43,461 Oh, aye. Come on now, hmm? 307 00:17:43,541 --> 00:17:46,901 Home straight. Just remember everything Robert's told you 308 00:17:46,981 --> 00:17:48,861 about making a good impression, 309 00:17:50,021 --> 00:17:54,301 and we'll get home and see that baby, yeah? 310 00:17:56,381 --> 00:17:57,581 Yeah. 311 00:17:58,741 --> 00:18:00,341 What are they gonna call him? 312 00:18:00,421 --> 00:18:04,381 I don't think they've decided yet. I'm keen on Gary Junior. 313 00:18:04,461 --> 00:18:06,341 [chuckles] 314 00:18:10,381 --> 00:18:13,021 Von, I want to be there tomorrow. 315 00:18:13,901 --> 00:18:16,461 -When you're questioned. -But we agreed. 316 00:18:16,541 --> 00:18:19,021 Yeah. It's important, though. 317 00:18:20,861 --> 00:18:22,061 I've been thinking 318 00:18:22,781 --> 00:18:25,941 and I'm so sorry about all the shite over Rosa. 319 00:18:27,141 --> 00:18:28,821 No more secrets. 320 00:18:30,421 --> 00:18:33,581 That's how all this happened in the first place, and I just... 321 00:18:35,981 --> 00:18:40,301 I just wish you'd been able to trust me with it. 322 00:18:50,941 --> 00:18:52,421 Okay. 323 00:19:13,141 --> 00:19:14,621 [Yvonne] What about me? 324 00:19:14,701 --> 00:19:17,501 What did you think the first time you saw me? 325 00:19:17,581 --> 00:19:23,981 You were just so... so comfortable in your own world. 326 00:19:26,941 --> 00:19:30,421 In that committee room. Just owning it. 327 00:19:33,381 --> 00:19:35,261 I loved that. 328 00:19:50,501 --> 00:19:52,461 Can you give us some idea of the kind of work involved 329 00:19:52,541 --> 00:19:55,221 in appearing at a House of Commons Select Committee? 330 00:19:55,301 --> 00:19:58,181 Well, it doesn't really involve any extra work, 331 00:19:58,261 --> 00:19:59,741 apart from turning up. 332 00:20:00,501 --> 00:20:03,221 You're called to answer questions that cover your field. 333 00:20:04,061 --> 00:20:05,501 [Robert] Your field being... 334 00:20:05,581 --> 00:20:08,061 [Yvonne] The human genome and genetic engineering. 335 00:20:08,141 --> 00:20:10,141 [Robert] Hmm. And it was at the last of these occasions 336 00:20:10,221 --> 00:20:12,261 that you met Mark Costley? 337 00:20:12,341 --> 00:20:14,061 That's correct. 338 00:20:14,141 --> 00:20:16,621 -Can you tell me your impressions of him? -Um... 339 00:20:17,781 --> 00:20:19,781 He was pleasant... 340 00:20:19,861 --> 00:20:22,261 uh, knowledgeable, I liked him. 341 00:20:23,541 --> 00:20:27,981 He gave me a guided tour of the Great Hall of Westminster. 342 00:20:28,781 --> 00:20:33,061 The Crypt Chapel. We met for coffee a few times. 343 00:20:33,141 --> 00:20:36,261 -Did you meet purely as friends? -Yes. 344 00:20:37,341 --> 00:20:40,261 His niece was considering a career in science 345 00:20:40,341 --> 00:20:42,821 and my own daughter's a scientist. 346 00:20:44,621 --> 00:20:48,061 So we talked about that and I gave him some advice. 347 00:20:48,141 --> 00:20:51,541 Dr. Carmichael, we now have to discuss the events that led, 348 00:20:51,621 --> 00:20:54,181 indirectly, to you being here, 349 00:20:54,261 --> 00:20:57,541 in a position you never would have imagined yourself to be in. 350 00:21:14,861 --> 00:21:16,661 [inaudible] 351 00:21:24,581 --> 00:21:26,381 It didn't seem real. 352 00:21:28,101 --> 00:21:29,381 Although it was... 353 00:21:30,581 --> 00:21:33,541 the most, most shocking thing that's ever happened to me. 354 00:21:36,221 --> 00:21:40,421 When it was over, he acted as if it was completely normal. 355 00:21:41,501 --> 00:21:43,941 And I got in the cab with him because... 356 00:21:45,981 --> 00:21:48,061 I didn't know what else to do. 357 00:21:49,021 --> 00:21:52,181 [Robert] Some people will find it hard to understand 358 00:21:52,261 --> 00:21:55,581 why you didn't even tell your husband about this horrific, vicious attack. 359 00:21:58,981 --> 00:22:01,181 I would have found it hard 360 00:22:01,261 --> 00:22:04,541 before it happened to me, to understand, I mean. 361 00:22:06,461 --> 00:22:08,021 But it seemed so clear. 362 00:22:13,741 --> 00:22:15,861 I didn't want what he did... 363 00:22:17,421 --> 00:22:21,021 in my life, in my home. 364 00:22:25,741 --> 00:22:27,901 I didn't want to be sitting in my kitchen, 365 00:22:27,981 --> 00:22:31,301 having a meal with my husband and wonder... 366 00:22:33,781 --> 00:22:37,941 two years later, five years later, whatever. 367 00:22:39,421 --> 00:22:44,581 [sighs] Wonder if he was thinking about it, or... 368 00:22:47,301 --> 00:22:53,741 for him to raise it or talk about it when I wasn't ready. 369 00:22:55,141 --> 00:22:56,701 I wasn't ready. 370 00:23:00,221 --> 00:23:02,021 [sobbing] 371 00:23:10,181 --> 00:23:13,221 George Selway treated me as a collection of holes 372 00:23:13,301 --> 00:23:14,341 and... 373 00:23:16,861 --> 00:23:22,101 at least, by not telling Gary, I had control over that one thing. 374 00:23:27,701 --> 00:23:31,861 What was your intention when you went to see Mark Costley 375 00:23:31,941 --> 00:23:34,541 to ask his advice about George Selway? 376 00:23:34,741 --> 00:23:36,901 I just wanted it to stop. 377 00:23:37,741 --> 00:23:41,621 Emailing me, texting, following me. 378 00:23:43,501 --> 00:23:48,901 When George turned up near my house, I was just so frightened. 379 00:23:51,181 --> 00:23:57,661 To be clear, did you wish George Selway physical harm? 380 00:23:57,741 --> 00:23:59,421 No. 381 00:23:59,501 --> 00:24:02,421 Did you encourage or urge Mr. Mark Costley 382 00:24:02,501 --> 00:24:05,061 -to kill George Selway? -No! 383 00:24:06,541 --> 00:24:08,421 While you were waiting in the car, 384 00:24:08,981 --> 00:24:12,861 were you aware of what was taking place in George Selway's flat? 385 00:24:14,581 --> 00:24:16,061 No. 386 00:24:17,061 --> 00:24:20,381 [judge] I suggest, given the very obvious distress of the witness, 387 00:24:20,461 --> 00:24:22,861 we'll adjourn for a short break. 388 00:24:42,821 --> 00:24:45,861 [Bonnard] Dr. Carmichael, I have no wish to distress you. 389 00:24:46,861 --> 00:24:49,821 But could I ask you a few more questions about the night 390 00:24:49,901 --> 00:24:53,701 you claim you were attacked by the victim in this case? 391 00:24:54,341 --> 00:24:56,221 Of course. 392 00:24:56,541 --> 00:24:58,821 Earlier on that day, the day of the party, 393 00:24:58,901 --> 00:25:01,981 -you were working at home? -Yes, that's right. 394 00:25:02,061 --> 00:25:04,621 Then you got into your party dress 395 00:25:04,701 --> 00:25:07,221 and took the Tube into town, is that correct? 396 00:25:07,301 --> 00:25:08,541 That's correct. 397 00:25:11,021 --> 00:25:14,861 You've said you were at the party with Mr. Selway 398 00:25:14,941 --> 00:25:18,141 for some hours, drinking with him, before you went with him 399 00:25:18,221 --> 00:25:20,781 up to his secluded office on the fifth floor, 400 00:25:20,981 --> 00:25:24,421 an area you knew would be empty at that time of night? 401 00:25:24,501 --> 00:25:27,341 He mentioned something about getting papers from his office. 402 00:25:27,421 --> 00:25:29,061 Yes. Just to establish, 403 00:25:29,141 --> 00:25:32,301 when you were drinking and smoking with Mr. Selway, 404 00:25:32,381 --> 00:25:35,421 you were for a time seated together outside 405 00:25:35,501 --> 00:25:37,301 in a small courtyard in the middle of the building? 406 00:25:37,381 --> 00:25:39,341 Yes. I wasn't smoking. 407 00:25:40,581 --> 00:25:42,701 You were keeping him company, then. 408 00:25:44,061 --> 00:25:46,701 When you were seated together outside, 409 00:25:46,781 --> 00:25:50,701 can you recall placing your hand on Mr. Selway's knee? 410 00:25:51,021 --> 00:25:52,461 No, I can't. 411 00:25:52,541 --> 00:25:54,341 Can you recall him placing his hand on your knee? 412 00:25:56,661 --> 00:25:58,221 He may have done. 413 00:25:59,101 --> 00:26:03,501 Yes, I think he did. Just on my knee, to steady himself. 414 00:26:05,261 --> 00:26:10,461 Uh... we were all laughing, in a group, 415 00:26:10,541 --> 00:26:13,301 it wasn't just the two of us, and... 416 00:26:13,381 --> 00:26:15,661 I was a bit unsteady and so was he and... 417 00:26:17,781 --> 00:26:20,501 I put my hand on his knee, just to steady myself. 418 00:26:20,581 --> 00:26:22,381 So you put your hand on his knee? 419 00:26:25,861 --> 00:26:29,501 Or he did on mine, he was filling up my glass. 420 00:26:29,581 --> 00:26:31,221 It could have been both. 421 00:26:32,821 --> 00:26:36,821 -You were flirting, weren't you? -No, I wouldn't say that. 422 00:26:36,901 --> 00:26:40,621 We were talking, joking, in a group of people. 423 00:26:40,701 --> 00:26:42,901 Let's not get into a detailed discussion 424 00:26:42,981 --> 00:26:45,821 on the definition of flirting, Dr. Carmichael. 425 00:26:46,141 --> 00:26:50,101 Did you or did you not tell George Selway you were promiscuous? 426 00:26:50,181 --> 00:26:51,701 No! Absolutely not! 427 00:26:51,781 --> 00:26:55,381 If anybody thinks they heard me say that, they're mistaken. 428 00:26:55,461 --> 00:26:57,621 Or drunk. There was a lot of drinking going on that night. 429 00:26:57,701 --> 00:26:59,541 I'm not talking about the party. 430 00:26:59,621 --> 00:27:02,421 Do you remember when you spent two days with George Selway, 431 00:27:02,501 --> 00:27:04,341 a month or so before he was killed? 432 00:27:04,421 --> 00:27:07,021 When we interviewed for the junior research fellowship? 433 00:27:07,101 --> 00:27:08,581 -Of course I remember. -Good. 434 00:27:08,661 --> 00:27:11,381 Then you might also remember telling George Selway 435 00:27:11,461 --> 00:27:15,301 in front of a roomful of people you were promiscuous. 436 00:27:17,261 --> 00:27:19,781 No. Absolutely not. 437 00:27:19,861 --> 00:27:22,461 -I said no such thing. -Really? 438 00:27:22,541 --> 00:27:26,821 Did you or did you not describe yourself as "really easy"? 439 00:27:29,501 --> 00:27:32,021 -That's ridiculous! -So, you do remember? 440 00:27:32,101 --> 00:27:35,261 "I like to pretend I'm classy, but I'm really easy." 441 00:27:35,341 --> 00:27:37,581 I was talking about the coffee machine! 442 00:27:37,661 --> 00:27:39,221 He'd bought us some coffees. 443 00:27:39,301 --> 00:27:41,541 I'm not asking you for the context of the comment, 444 00:27:41,621 --> 00:27:44,741 I'm sure you were bantering away on all manner of subjects. 445 00:27:44,821 --> 00:27:46,821 Just please answer the question. "Really easy." 446 00:27:46,901 --> 00:27:49,461 -Did you use that exact phrase? -That is ludicrous! 447 00:27:49,541 --> 00:27:51,341 You can take anything out of context-- 448 00:27:51,421 --> 00:27:53,261 -Yes, or no? -You are trying to create 449 00:27:53,341 --> 00:27:55,461 a false impression of the kind of relationship that we had. 450 00:27:55,541 --> 00:27:58,461 -Yes, or no? -Not in the way that you mean! 451 00:28:08,821 --> 00:28:10,341 [Yvonne] This is why! 452 00:28:11,821 --> 00:28:15,221 This is why I didn't want to bring this to court in the first place! [sniffs] 453 00:28:23,341 --> 00:28:26,061 It's not the only reason, is it, Dr. Carmichael? 454 00:28:32,741 --> 00:28:36,421 Why didn't you report the alleged rape by George Selway? 455 00:28:37,421 --> 00:28:40,261 Often, these cases are conducted as if... 456 00:28:40,581 --> 00:28:42,421 the victim has committed a crime. 457 00:28:44,341 --> 00:28:47,261 -I felt I'd been through enough. -Well, this isn't a rape trial. 458 00:28:47,341 --> 00:28:50,741 And you have been charged with a crime, the most serious crime there is. 459 00:28:50,821 --> 00:28:52,861 Now, forgive me, you said it was eight years 460 00:28:52,941 --> 00:28:55,341 you worked for the Beaufort Institute? 461 00:28:55,421 --> 00:28:58,661 Um... full time, yes. 462 00:28:58,741 --> 00:29:02,261 -And more recently part time. -Of course. 463 00:29:02,341 --> 00:29:05,461 And during those eight years, you commuted every day? 464 00:29:05,541 --> 00:29:07,861 Tube to St. James's and then a walk? 465 00:29:09,101 --> 00:29:10,141 Yes. 466 00:29:10,941 --> 00:29:15,701 And lunch hours, coffee breaks. Plenty of places to eat around there. 467 00:29:15,781 --> 00:29:17,941 -My Lord, really! -[Bonnard] Forgive me, my Lord. 468 00:29:18,021 --> 00:29:21,181 -I'm getting there. -Then do, please, Ms. Bonnard. 469 00:29:21,261 --> 00:29:22,581 [clears throat] 470 00:29:22,901 --> 00:29:25,261 Dr. Carmichael, in your professional capacity 471 00:29:25,341 --> 00:29:27,301 you have been working in or visiting 472 00:29:27,381 --> 00:29:30,941 the Borough of Westminster for, what, around 12 years, longer? 473 00:29:31,021 --> 00:29:33,781 Um, longer, probably. 474 00:29:33,861 --> 00:29:38,061 So, it's fair to say you are very familiar with the area? 475 00:29:38,141 --> 00:29:42,261 What with all the commuting and lunch hours, walking and so on? 476 00:29:43,581 --> 00:29:45,981 It... Yes. 477 00:29:47,981 --> 00:29:49,741 You know it intimately... 478 00:29:51,741 --> 00:29:53,661 this little corner of St. James. 479 00:29:55,221 --> 00:29:58,341 The highways and byways, 480 00:29:58,421 --> 00:30:00,501 the shops and cafés... 481 00:30:05,141 --> 00:30:06,701 the side streets, 482 00:30:07,501 --> 00:30:09,021 the back alleyways? 483 00:30:20,181 --> 00:30:23,781 You're familiar, Dr. Carmichael, 484 00:30:23,861 --> 00:30:27,501 with a small alleyway called Apple Tree Yard? 485 00:30:41,221 --> 00:30:46,821 Apple Tree Yard is the alleyway in the Borough of Westminster 486 00:30:46,901 --> 00:30:51,381 where you had intercourse with your lover, Mark Costley, 487 00:30:51,461 --> 00:30:53,861 in a public street, quite quickly I imagine, 488 00:30:53,941 --> 00:30:56,621 during rush hour, standing up in a doorway. 489 00:30:56,701 --> 00:30:59,301 Isn't that the case, Dr. Carmichael? 490 00:31:07,741 --> 00:31:09,221 It... 491 00:31:11,781 --> 00:31:13,821 It wasn't rush hour. 492 00:31:14,701 --> 00:31:17,381 [Bonnard] I apologize for any inaccuracy as to timings, 493 00:31:17,461 --> 00:31:20,661 but you will forgive me for doubting the credibility 494 00:31:20,741 --> 00:31:23,221 of any account you're willing to give this court? 495 00:31:23,301 --> 00:31:26,341 You know, are facing a charge of murder. 496 00:31:26,421 --> 00:31:29,421 Don't you think it's time you started telling the truth? 497 00:31:29,501 --> 00:31:31,541 You've lied, haven't you? 498 00:31:32,701 --> 00:31:36,621 You have lied to your husband and you've lied to the police 499 00:31:36,701 --> 00:31:39,581 and you have lied to this court, well, haven't you? 500 00:31:49,221 --> 00:31:50,301 Yes. 501 00:31:53,661 --> 00:31:55,581 I beg your pardon? 502 00:31:57,501 --> 00:31:58,821 Yes. 503 00:32:06,221 --> 00:32:09,821 Did you ask my client to kill George Selway? 504 00:32:10,421 --> 00:32:11,581 No. 505 00:32:11,661 --> 00:32:13,901 -Are you telling the truth? -Yes. 506 00:32:13,981 --> 00:32:16,621 Did you tell him you were raped, Dr. Carmichael? 507 00:32:16,701 --> 00:32:19,141 -I said... Yes. -And were you raped? 508 00:32:19,221 --> 00:32:21,581 -Is that the truth? -Yes! Yes! Yes! 509 00:32:46,701 --> 00:32:49,701 As you went to the party that night... 510 00:32:52,101 --> 00:32:55,381 after you had had sex with my client... 511 00:33:01,901 --> 00:33:04,061 were you wearing underwear? 512 00:33:25,501 --> 00:33:28,261 Please, at least tell me that the sex was good. 513 00:33:33,061 --> 00:33:34,941 [chuckles] 514 00:33:38,061 --> 00:33:39,781 Why? 515 00:33:40,341 --> 00:33:42,341 Why with someone like that? 516 00:33:43,501 --> 00:33:46,261 He didn't seem the way he sounds in court. 517 00:33:46,341 --> 00:33:49,261 He... He made me feel... 518 00:33:51,141 --> 00:33:54,061 Gary wants to talk to you so much. 519 00:33:54,141 --> 00:33:58,341 I can't. No, no. It would just finish me off. 520 00:33:59,701 --> 00:34:01,221 But think about it. 521 00:34:02,221 --> 00:34:04,341 Isn't it going to do more damage this way? 522 00:34:04,421 --> 00:34:05,701 Damage? 523 00:34:05,781 --> 00:34:07,381 Damage, Suze? 524 00:34:07,461 --> 00:34:09,821 The damage is done. You saw the jury's faces. 525 00:34:09,901 --> 00:34:12,101 -I'm going to prison. -You don't know that. 526 00:34:12,181 --> 00:34:14,421 -Yes, I do. -The trial isn't over yet. 527 00:34:14,501 --> 00:34:16,621 Yes, it is. It is. It is for me. 528 00:34:20,341 --> 00:34:22,181 You know, the one thing that Gary's always said 529 00:34:22,261 --> 00:34:25,301 that he couldn't bear is humiliation. 530 00:34:25,941 --> 00:34:29,661 If you were having this thing with Mark Costley, 531 00:34:29,741 --> 00:34:34,901 then surely... your marriage was over anyway. 532 00:34:34,981 --> 00:34:37,741 Do you really think that it's that cut and dried? 533 00:34:37,821 --> 00:34:40,381 God, Suze! I'd expect that from Carrie, but you of-- 534 00:34:40,461 --> 00:34:42,941 -I am trying to understand. -You should know 535 00:34:43,021 --> 00:34:46,341 that a marriage is not what it seems from the outside. 536 00:34:46,621 --> 00:34:49,821 What Jay? Well, Jay's a bit different from Gary. 537 00:34:49,901 --> 00:34:52,381 You've always held Gary up as some kind of shining star. 538 00:34:52,461 --> 00:34:54,341 Because he is a good man! 539 00:35:02,941 --> 00:35:04,101 Yes, he is. 540 00:35:11,461 --> 00:35:13,421 When I started my degree... 541 00:35:15,021 --> 00:35:17,901 I was going to dedicate my life to science. 542 00:35:20,061 --> 00:35:21,341 And then... 543 00:35:22,421 --> 00:35:26,341 my first week of the first term, there he was. 544 00:35:27,301 --> 00:35:28,981 So specific. 545 00:35:30,381 --> 00:35:36,541 There in the lab being so bloody certain about everything. 546 00:35:38,821 --> 00:35:40,541 With his shirt tucked in 547 00:35:41,901 --> 00:35:44,061 and his thousand-yard stare. 548 00:35:46,741 --> 00:35:48,421 Thirty years, nearly. 549 00:35:51,341 --> 00:35:53,901 Don't you think that's worth fighting for? 550 00:35:57,901 --> 00:35:59,021 [door slams] 551 00:36:05,621 --> 00:36:07,541 [door slams, locks] 552 00:36:36,541 --> 00:36:38,101 [prosecutor] Ladies and gentlemen, 553 00:36:38,181 --> 00:36:40,661 the dramatic revelations of the last days have served 554 00:36:40,741 --> 00:36:43,181 only to strengthen the prosecution's case 555 00:36:43,501 --> 00:36:45,941 that it is beyond reasonable doubt 556 00:36:46,021 --> 00:36:48,141 that Mark Costley and Yvonne Carmichael 557 00:36:48,221 --> 00:36:51,141 are both guilty of the murder of George Selway. 558 00:36:51,221 --> 00:36:54,701 Whose idea was it to drive to Selway's flat that day? 559 00:36:55,861 --> 00:36:59,261 Yvonne Carmichael has admitted it was her idea. 560 00:36:59,901 --> 00:37:04,621 Tragically, Mr. Costley's already marked tendencies as a fantasist 561 00:37:04,701 --> 00:37:07,901 and his inability to tell the difference between reality 562 00:37:07,981 --> 00:37:10,141 and a story of his own invention 563 00:37:10,221 --> 00:37:13,461 found its flashpoint at that unbearable moment 564 00:37:13,541 --> 00:37:17,701 when he confronted the man he believed to have raped his lover. 565 00:37:18,141 --> 00:37:23,341 Yvonne Carmichael had suffered a brutal and degrading rape 566 00:37:23,421 --> 00:37:25,221 at the hands of George Selway. 567 00:37:25,301 --> 00:37:28,661 Who then added to this quite devastating trauma 568 00:37:28,741 --> 00:37:30,541 by stalking her. 569 00:37:31,261 --> 00:37:33,181 She just wanted it to stop. 570 00:37:33,781 --> 00:37:36,261 There is no evidence that she wanted him dead. 571 00:37:36,341 --> 00:37:39,021 There's no evidence that she asked for it. 572 00:37:39,101 --> 00:37:41,341 Mark Costley was in his own world 573 00:37:41,421 --> 00:37:45,621 when he entered George Selway's flat, on a mission of his own making. 574 00:37:47,141 --> 00:37:48,861 It comes down to this. 575 00:37:48,941 --> 00:37:52,821 Does having an affair with Mark Costley, keeping it secret, 576 00:37:52,901 --> 00:37:56,141 make Dr. Carmichael a murderer? 577 00:37:57,101 --> 00:38:01,781 Not "does it make her unsavory, inappropriate?" 578 00:38:01,861 --> 00:38:04,381 Your private judgement is your own concern. 579 00:38:06,261 --> 00:38:09,341 Does it make her a murderer? 580 00:38:16,221 --> 00:38:17,381 [door unlocks] 581 00:38:18,821 --> 00:38:20,421 It's time. 582 00:38:24,781 --> 00:38:26,381 [buzzer sounds] 583 00:38:32,981 --> 00:38:35,381 [Yvonne] Courts aren't about the truth. 584 00:38:35,461 --> 00:38:38,101 They're about who tells the best story. 585 00:38:42,861 --> 00:38:46,661 You know all about that. You're the expert. 586 00:38:54,941 --> 00:38:57,381 You caught me so easily. 587 00:38:57,461 --> 00:39:02,661 But then, I think now, I was waiting to be caught. 588 00:39:18,181 --> 00:39:20,181 [door opens] 589 00:39:28,781 --> 00:39:30,461 [clerk] Madam foreperson, 590 00:39:30,541 --> 00:39:34,141 has the jury reached verdicts upon which you are all agreed? 591 00:39:34,221 --> 00:39:35,781 Yes. 592 00:39:36,621 --> 00:39:39,101 [clerk] Would the defendants please stand? 593 00:39:45,301 --> 00:39:48,541 Do you find the defendant Mark Liam Costley 594 00:39:48,621 --> 00:39:52,941 guilty or not guilty of the murder of George Selway? 595 00:39:53,941 --> 00:39:56,901 We find the defendant not guilty. 596 00:40:01,581 --> 00:40:04,341 [clerk] Do you find the defendant Yvonne Carmichael 597 00:40:04,421 --> 00:40:08,701 guilty or not guilty of the murder of George Selway? 598 00:40:10,821 --> 00:40:12,621 [foreperson] Not guilty. 599 00:40:15,301 --> 00:40:17,621 [clerk] Upon count two of this indictment, 600 00:40:17,701 --> 00:40:20,861 do you find the defendant Mark Liam Costley 601 00:40:20,941 --> 00:40:24,141 guilty or not guilty of manslaughter? 602 00:40:25,461 --> 00:40:26,741 Guilty. 603 00:40:32,861 --> 00:40:35,621 [clerk] Do you find the defendant Yvonne Carmichael 604 00:40:35,701 --> 00:40:38,461 guilty or not guilty of manslaughter? 605 00:40:40,421 --> 00:40:42,781 We find the defendant... 606 00:40:49,261 --> 00:40:51,101 -not guilty. -[Suze sobs] 607 00:40:53,141 --> 00:40:55,101 [murmuring] 608 00:40:57,461 --> 00:40:59,181 [Jas] Congratulations. Well done. 609 00:41:25,821 --> 00:41:27,221 [buzzer sounds] 610 00:41:40,221 --> 00:41:41,781 Thank you. 611 00:42:39,981 --> 00:42:42,701 [birdsong] 612 00:42:48,021 --> 00:42:49,741 [Yvonne] Dear X. 613 00:42:50,701 --> 00:42:52,181 Dear Mark. 614 00:42:53,901 --> 00:42:57,141 With good behavior and the all-clear from your psychiatrist, 615 00:42:57,221 --> 00:42:59,341 you'll be free in five years. 616 00:43:04,821 --> 00:43:06,661 They found me guilty of perjury. 617 00:43:07,341 --> 00:43:09,021 Suspended sentence. 618 00:43:10,181 --> 00:43:13,061 Sounds about right, "suspended". 619 00:43:14,501 --> 00:43:16,381 Hanging above me, 620 00:43:16,461 --> 00:43:19,021 a sword that could fall on my neck at any time. 621 00:43:20,701 --> 00:43:22,101 And of course, 622 00:43:22,181 --> 00:43:24,861 my good behavior has to last a lifetime. 623 00:43:41,501 --> 00:43:44,221 When do you think Carrie will be ready to see me? 624 00:43:45,821 --> 00:43:48,781 I think that's best discussed between you and her, don't you? 625 00:43:49,741 --> 00:43:52,421 You can do no wrong in her eyes, you know that. 626 00:43:53,501 --> 00:43:56,581 Yeah, well. We're all on a learning curve, aren't we? 627 00:43:57,181 --> 00:43:58,621 Gary... 628 00:43:59,821 --> 00:44:01,741 does she know about you and Rosa? 629 00:44:03,101 --> 00:44:05,981 Nothing to tell any more, is there? So, no point. 630 00:44:06,061 --> 00:44:09,141 Surely it's only fair that she knows something about... 631 00:44:09,581 --> 00:44:12,141 what was going on with you, and us. 632 00:44:12,221 --> 00:44:14,261 You really want to go there, do you? 633 00:44:15,661 --> 00:44:18,141 Jesus Christ. Fairness? 634 00:44:18,941 --> 00:44:20,461 Transparency? 635 00:44:22,661 --> 00:44:25,141 There were so many opportunities to tell me. 636 00:44:26,981 --> 00:44:28,461 The rape. 637 00:44:29,621 --> 00:44:31,101 Him. 638 00:44:34,901 --> 00:44:36,941 -I would have understood. -I know you would. 639 00:44:37,021 --> 00:44:38,741 So why? Because you had to win? 640 00:44:38,821 --> 00:44:41,021 You had to be the best at everything, even marriage? 641 00:44:41,101 --> 00:44:43,421 Could you just not bear the thought of not having something 642 00:44:43,501 --> 00:44:45,421 to hold against me for once, 643 00:44:45,501 --> 00:44:47,941 that we both might have fucked up, even-Stevens? 644 00:44:48,021 --> 00:44:50,301 -Is that what you think? -Yes, that's what I think! 645 00:44:52,101 --> 00:44:57,301 I think you think I've been the bad one, that's how it's worked. 646 00:45:17,861 --> 00:45:19,341 I'm sorry. 647 00:45:20,141 --> 00:45:21,541 I am. 648 00:45:23,581 --> 00:45:27,061 And I'll say it every day, for as long as it takes. 649 00:45:50,941 --> 00:45:53,301 [drilling] 650 00:46:22,101 --> 00:46:24,381 Thank you for agreeing to see me. 651 00:46:32,061 --> 00:46:34,861 Yvonne, in court... 652 00:46:35,501 --> 00:46:39,621 when I... I told my barrister about us... 653 00:46:40,941 --> 00:46:43,901 she just twisted everything. 654 00:46:44,621 --> 00:46:46,341 I'm so sorry. 655 00:46:50,221 --> 00:46:52,021 I think I understand. 656 00:46:53,541 --> 00:46:55,141 You panicked. 657 00:46:57,581 --> 00:47:00,221 Is that what happened with George? 658 00:47:02,421 --> 00:47:04,061 I know you didn't mean to kill him. 659 00:47:04,141 --> 00:47:08,901 I just wanted to teach him a lesson, for you. 660 00:47:10,221 --> 00:47:12,421 I wanted you to feel safe. 661 00:47:21,941 --> 00:47:23,541 I lied to you. 662 00:47:30,661 --> 00:47:32,101 Brilliant geneticist, 663 00:47:32,181 --> 00:47:35,021 one of the country's leading scientists I'm not. 664 00:47:36,101 --> 00:47:40,221 I haven't produced an original piece of work for years. 665 00:47:42,341 --> 00:47:44,661 I was never anybody important. 666 00:47:49,101 --> 00:47:51,581 You made me feel important. 667 00:47:55,341 --> 00:47:57,981 I don't know what you want me to say. 668 00:47:59,301 --> 00:48:00,941 I'm sorry. 669 00:48:03,861 --> 00:48:05,461 Mark? 670 00:48:07,981 --> 00:48:09,181 [sighs] 671 00:48:11,101 --> 00:48:12,741 The feelings? 672 00:48:14,981 --> 00:48:19,781 They were real. Mine were, at least. 673 00:48:19,861 --> 00:48:21,861 And mine, too. 674 00:48:23,941 --> 00:48:26,221 That's why I told her about us. 675 00:48:26,421 --> 00:48:28,821 Because how else would anyone know? 676 00:48:31,501 --> 00:48:33,421 How would they know? 677 00:48:36,301 --> 00:48:38,981 That it had been real? 678 00:48:46,741 --> 00:48:48,941 It was just everything else that wasn't. 679 00:49:03,301 --> 00:49:05,661 [Yvonne] If relationships are stories... 680 00:49:07,301 --> 00:49:09,581 there is no happy ending for ours. 681 00:49:11,021 --> 00:49:14,781 But life, as they say, goes on. 682 00:49:28,701 --> 00:49:30,381 [baby gurgling] 683 00:49:55,301 --> 00:49:57,101 [Mark] Yvonne. 684 00:50:03,101 --> 00:50:05,381 [whispers] What you said to me in the flat. 685 00:50:07,661 --> 00:50:09,421 The safe house. 686 00:50:10,741 --> 00:50:12,421 I never told them. 687 00:50:16,101 --> 00:50:17,661 I didn't. 688 00:50:25,861 --> 00:50:27,941 [Mark] So, what do you want? 689 00:50:30,341 --> 00:50:32,261 [Yvonne] I want you to kill him. 690 00:50:32,341 --> 00:50:34,581 [both laugh] 691 00:50:36,821 --> 00:50:39,381 I want you to smash his fucking face in. 692 00:50:52,821 --> 00:50:55,541 People can say anything. 693 00:51:03,621 --> 00:51:06,501 You really can't tell the difference, can you?